• Death, DEATH, everywhere
• Not so bloated, now, is it?
• and Someone Agrees with US!

0:00 Cold Open
1:35 Mozilla's Making Changes... Again
24:31 Disks Hate This One Weird Trick!
54:32 The Last of the Season 5 Feedback
-54:42 VesuLabs
-1:03:02 stephenreaves3205
1:12:16 Next Time & Farewell (For Now)
1:17:38 Stinger

The Video Version!
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Mozilla Watch 👀

• Pocket and Fakespot are out.
• Readeck is a Pocket alternative Currently it is self-hosted but they are looking to add a hosted option.
• Karakeep is another alternative.
• Profiles are coming soon.

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The Season Conclusion of our Flatpak/Snap adventure

The numbers

MacOS    App
-----------------
666MB    Brave
451MB    Discord
651MB    Element
436MB    Firefox
873MB    GIMP
628MB    Inkscape
553MB    Kdenlive
451MB    OBS
303MB    Telegram

Windows  App
-----------------
873MB    Brave
468MB    Discord
1.05GB   Element
262MB    Firefox
963MB    GIMP
562MB    Inkscape
1.02GB   Kdenlive
394MB    OBS
215MB    Telegram

Ubuntu  Snap
-----------------
4.0K    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/bare_5.snap
185M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/brave_509.snap
185M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/brave_511.snap
74M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core22_1908.snap
74M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core22_1963.snap
67M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core24_888.snap
67M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core24_988.snap
68M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/cups_1100.snap
12M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/desktop-security-center_59.snap
111M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/discord_239.snap
115M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/discord_240.snap
172M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/element-desktop_148.snap
62M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/ffmpeg-2404_59.snap
242M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/firefox_6159.snap
242M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/firefox_6198.snap
12M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/firmware-updater_167.snap
264M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gimp_517.snap
264M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gimp_519.snap
517M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gnome-42-2204_202.snap
405M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gnome-46-2404_90.snap
92M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gtk-common-themes_1535.snap
339M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/inkscape_10823.snap
64M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/kdenlive_119.snap
319M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/kdenlive_120.snap
1.4G    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/kf6-core24_27.snap
208M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/mesa-2404_495.snap
576M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/obs-studio_1302.snap
4.0K    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/partial
15M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/prompting-client_104.snap
45M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/snapd_23771.snap
51M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/snapd_24505.snap
568K    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/snapd-desktop-integration_253.snap
11M     /var/lib/snapd/snaps/snap-store_1270.snap
446M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/telegram-desktop_6597.snap
454M    /var/lib/snapd/snaps/telegram-desktop_6639.snap

Fedora   Flatpak
---------------
443 MB   Brave
278 MB   Discord
540 MB   OBS Studio
477 MB   Element
 17 MB   TAP-plugins
 19 MB   SWH
675 MB   Freedesktop Platform
538 MB   Mesa
538 MB   Mesa (Extra)
463 MB   Mesa
463 MB   Mesa (Extra)
 30 MB   FFmpeg extension with extra codecs
790 kB   openh264
789 kB   openh264
256 MB   GNU Image Manipulation Program
  8 MB   HEIC
  1 GB   GNOME Application Platform version 48
275 MB   Inkscape
 20 MB   Adwaita theme
926 MB   KDE Application Platform
  1 GB   KDE Application Platform
 25 MB   QGnomePlatform
  3 MB   QAdwaitaDecorations
241 MB   Kdenlive
282 MB   Firefox
256 MB   Telegram
124 MB   Telegram Desktop Webview Add-on

• 5.0GB MacOS
• 5.8GB Windows
• 6.6GB Flatpak
• 7.0GB Snap, ~6.0GB without old versions + compression

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• Thanks for the feedback on AI bug reporting and Rust in the kernel.

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if they spin off Chrome, would they also spin off ChromeOS? Or maybe just rebrand it?

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• Extended service warranty for your Linux
• 10,000 Tabs Made Easy!
• A Chrome Firesale

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0:00 Cold Open
1:40 Extended Warranty for Ubuntu
17:36 Tab Groups and Unwanted Cookies
41:39 A Google Chrome Firesale!
58:33 The Science of Next Time
1:11:14 Stinger

Upgrade or ESM? Why not both?

• This blog post reminded Leo he needed to make a decision.
• Ubuntu Pro could let him kick the can a little.
• Upgrades generally go well unless you have a bunch of 3rd party repos.
• Always have a backup before any major changes.

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Browser Watch!

• Firefox brings tab groups to the browser
• How to get started with tab groups
• Brave browser adds Cookiecrumbler
• Brave adds native translation
• Chrome's Privacy Sandbox is dead

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Chrome breakup speculation

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Quick look at our Snap and Flatpak journey

• Inital systems have been setup.
• Leo and Dan won't necessarily be installing the same software though some may overlap.
• We will be keeping tabs on the sizes of just the containerized applications.

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Coming up in this episode

1. Ubuntu Desktop, but better? It's fresh anyway.
2. A short history of ed
3. The Missing Thoughts on Ubuntu
4. A sip of coffee
5. And an app that soars loudly

Banter

• Linux Mint 21 (Vanessa) Cinnamon Beta
• Lubuntu Backports are live for 22.04 LTS Huge thanks to Aaron Rainbolt (arraybolt3)!
• Ubuntu and flavors 22.04.1 is coming soon!

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History Series on Text Editors - ed (Pronounced E, D)

• GNU ed page
• ed Wikipedia page
• ed Man Page
• Ken Thompson original author of ed
• A Quarter Century of UNIX by Peter H. Salus
• qed from Wikipedia
• Tektronix 4014's
• Edlin
• ed package in Ubuntu
• ed package in Arch

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Ubuntu 22.04 LTS more Thoughts

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• Applications Leo wishes were Snaps Touché and Amberol

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Feedback - Larry

• Likes Linux Mint Mate

Use what works for you, Larry. Mint Mate is solid.
We are glad you like the new music and format, thanks for the feedback.

Community Focus

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App Focus

Thunderbird

Next Time

We will discuss Endeavour OS and the history.

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From the thumb

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Banter - Beta to the Max

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• Fedora 35 Beta
• MX Linux RC

Distro Packaging vs Snap/Flatpak

• Drew Devault, Original post from 2019
• New post in September

Mozilla Watch, Snap Watch, Snapzilla Watch?!

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• Firefox Tests Bing on the 1%
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App Focus

Firefox Multi-Account Containers
This episode's app:

• Firefox Multi-Account Containers.

Next Time

We wrap up our thoughts on Garuda Linux.

Garuda Linux

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