• Ubuntu's Ups and Downs
• An KDE Linux Chat with Nate Graham

0:00 Cold Open
1:37 Ubuntu's Ups and Downs
24:04 The Present and Future of KDE Linux (with Nate)
1:08:43 AI and Unenforceable Policies (with Nate)
1:47:18 Next Time: Season 7!
1:53:47 Stinger

The Video Version
https://youtu.be/wUQtmVpj1OE

Today in User Space we start out by covering a couple of the newest Ubuntu issues. Namely, the outages, but that alone wasn't terrible, until you added update failures that prevent folks that needed to from patching themselves against Copy Fail! Some good things, too, though. PS5 Linux is bringing all the nostalgia back from the PS3 era of full Linux desktop enjoyment.

Then, we let a guest, Nate Graham of KDE, crash the back half of the show, and it goes quite long! In the first half we hear everything from why Snaps could, but ultimately don't work for KDE Linux, Printing, and the possible future cadence of the OS once there's a full release (and more, of course). We actually split the interview in two to be a little more digestible and postable later on.

In the second half of the interview, we discuss our thoughts on AI, what's good (and mostly bad) about it all, and how KDE and Nate look at submissions and humanity. What we don't need, it seems, is unenforceable policies. Then, a couple final questions like what's up with Full Disk Encryption?

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Ubuntu's Ups and Downs

• Ubuntu's AI Ambitions
• Ubuntu's DDoS
• Discourse Post about the DDoS
• PS5-Linux (based on Ubuntu)

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Interview With Nate Graham

• Nate's Blog
• KDE Linux
• KDE Linux Wiki
• KDE Discuss
• KDE Linux Matrix
• KDE Bug Tracker
• This Week In Plasma

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🔭Next Time🔭 We're On Break

We plan to cover your feedback, and some interesting topics. Stay Tuned, we plan to check in on Kagi, Orion and our KDE Linux journey.

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• Neocities went Bing Bang Boom
• Discord says open up and say ahhh
• KDE Linux snaps at snap

0:00 Cold Open
3:03 MySpace, Not Your Space
34:22 Discord Wants Your Face
54:43 Is KDE Linux Ready?
1:10:14 Next Time
1:13:36 Stinger

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Neocities was blocked by Bing

• Neocities Blog Post
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Discord Age Verification is coming

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KDE Linux

• Nate Graham's blog post
• Phoronix article

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• We took a break over the break
• Windows 10 pulls a fast one
• Firefox brings in another clanker

0:00 Cold Open
2:27 A Distro, a Router and a Choice
25:26 Windows 10 Isn't Dead Yet...
43:45 Browser Watch (feat. Firefox)
1:09:58 Next Time!
1:14:57 Stinger

The Video Version!
https://youtu.be/Rsn57QtNsiI

🔥Warm Up🔥

• Leo has been playing with some UniFi gear
• Dan explored some OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
• We plan to explore KDE Linux Alpha and System76's Cosmic this season.

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Windows 10 is going away... sort of

• Windows 10 gets another year, if you meet the requirements.
• End of 10 Campaign
• Leo and Dan recommend Linux Mint and Ubuntu as great places to start. There are other suggestions though, what do you recommend?

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Mozilla Watch 👀

• Firefox 141 brings [tab grouping and lower memory usage in Linux](www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/141.0/releasenotes/)
• Firefox 142 brings pocket like article suggestions and long press previews
• Firefox 143 adds Copilot to the AI selection
• Firefox 144 will bring better encryption for the password manager
• Browser options continue to grow. Zen Browser looks interesting. What are you using?

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• Themes Are More Global Than You Think
• Kdenlive Does Some Layering
• The History of LXDE
• To Qt, or not to Qt?
• Then, we call an audible

0:00 Cold Open
2:17 Theme of the Crop
16:22 The Lost Edit
28:11 The History of LXDE
55:51 How'd LXQt and LXDE Go?
1:24:28 Next Time
1:31:13 Stinger

The Video Version
https://youtu.be/Y8_rMTmnIXc

🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop

KDE's Attack Surface?

• Hackaday coverage
• The Reddit Post

Kdenlive gave Leo a hard time

• 24.02.0 was hot off the press and Leo couldn't resist.
• Thankfully 24.02.1 followed to hopefully resolve the issues.

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The History of LXDE (and some LXQt)

• The LXDE mailing list goes back to 2008
• Ubuntu Lite
• later known as U-lite commited to using LXDE.
• DesktopLinux.com coverage
• Elemental Linux, MoonOS and WattOS followed with a commitment
• A PCManFM review from 2008
• The blog appears
• December 2008 status update
• Sidux adds an unofficial LXDE flavor
• Mandriva adds LXDE
• Fedora too
• LXDE Translation project
• PCMan asks the community for feedback
• FOSDEM 2009
• Lubuntu enters the chat
• LXDE on android phones
• LXDE on Solaris
• LXDE in Centos
• PCLXDE
• First Lubuntu test ISO
• Fedora success
• OpenSUSE status update
• Refactor time
• Rewrite, and make it faster
• Movable desktop icons
• LXDE becomes an available Debian desktop
• A Qt port begins
• Diverse paths
• PCMan develops a "Guide for Migrating from Gtk+ to Qt"
• LXDE-QT preview
• Razor-Qt
• PCMan had this to say about Razor-Qt
• A merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt
• LXDE-Qt is not bloated
• PCManFM-Qt was in a usable state
• LXQt alpha is announced
• shortly after it was announced.
• Initial FreeBSD support for LXQt
• Comparing Numbers
• LXQt got “full” Qt5 support
• LXQt 0.8 released
• LXDE is still going
• We say goodbye to Razor-qt
• The 0.9 release was caught on snags but eventually released
• LXQt 0.10 followed
• LXQt 0.11 released
• More stats
• LXQt 0.12.0
• LXQt 0.13.0
• The end for GTK 2
• Debian, at the time, set the death date
• GTK 3 would end up being the target for LXDE
• LXQt 0.17
• LXQt 1.0.0 was released!
• LXDE diehards are still keeping things alive for LXDE
• LXQt 2.0 is planned to release in the usual April slot
• Speaking of Wayland
• Quick LXQt History

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Next Time

Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is Xz.

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• We search for the humans on the other end of the Internet
• We pour over the Feedback
• We focus on the Gentoo feedback

The Video Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALGS4Vtei0

Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:30 The KDE AMA
7:47 The Truth About KDE 4.0
19:46 AppImage Is Broken in Ubuntu
24:47 There Be Humans Out There
40:07 Reverb Focus!

• 41:33 Douglas (Old Mac, New Tricks)
• 49:29 Bruce (Well, Why Don't Ya?!)
• 55:12 Jayden (GNOME Syndrome) 1:04:15 The Care & Feeding of Gentoo (feat. Ryan) 1:15:51 Next Time! 1:20:32 Stinger

🔥Warm up🔥

• There was an KDE AMA on Lemmy and on Reddit
• Troy Unrau, a KDE dev, on the KDE History

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There are humans on the other end of that Internet

• This conversation was sparked from this Tweet
• Linus gets passionate sometimes

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Reverb Focus

Douglas Paul

• Douglas does his own 12 step distro hop program.
• Gnome, Fedora, with Extensions and Albert is the landing spot... at least for now.

Bruce Hankins on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11)

• Two categories of users, average users and power users.
• Average users don't really tinker.
• Power users like to tinker (this is where Leo and Dan fall as well as many of you) but there is a small amount of us.
• Installation of the system and applications is not intuitive.

Jayden on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11) AAAAAAND a Note Suggestion

• Gnome with gestures and multi-touch are great.
• A couple of note taking apps for Leo to chase - Xournal++ and Rnote

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Gentoo Focus

• Kerneltux sent in his "care and feeding" notes for Gentoo. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream.

🔭Next Time🔭

We plan to explore and provide the history of Mate Desktop Environment.

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• Notating the Notes
• The History of KDE
• And Plasma, Straight from the Tap

Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:44 A Note on Notes
22:52 The History of KDE
28:29 History: KDE 1
30:42 History: KDE 2
33:03 History: KDE 3
36:21 History: KDE 4
45:36 History: Plasma 5
51:34 History: Plasma 6
53:17 Plasma 6 Raw (hide)
1:20:49 Next Time: Topics, then MATE
1:27:37 Stinger

Watch the video
https://youtu.be/CsdW0bDOjIM

🔥Warm Up🔥

• Leo hits the books and learns about reference style links in markdown. Thanks go to Dominic and Furicle.
• Eric mentioned MarkText and now the squirrels have Dan chasing that.
• Leo tries settling on Vivaldi Notes.

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The History of KDE

• The email on October 14, 1996 to start it all.
• KDE ONE
• K Desktop Environment first real beta release.
• Beta 1 Screenshots
• KDE 1.0 was released on July 12, 1998.
• 1998 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
• KFM turned into Konqueror.
• Konqi
• KDE 2.0
• KDE 2.1
• In April of 2002, KDE 3.0 was released.
• 2003 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
• 2004 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
• KDE Community World Summit 2004 "aKademy".
• 2005 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
• April 8, 2005 Kubuntu.
• KDE 3.5
• KDE Four Core Meeting
• KDE 4
• Oxygen
• 2008 Interview of Matthias Ettrich
• KDE hit the 1,000,000 commit
• Starting from 4.3.4, is a "software compilation".
• November 2009, K Desktop Environment is just KDE, now.
• Fork of KDE 3.5 becomes Trinity Desktop Environment.
• KDE SC 4.5.
• October 2010, an official split from KOffice
• Plasma Active
• KDE Manifesto
• December 2012, a redesigned Konqi.
• KDE release structure changed.
• KDE SC 4.14 the last in the series.
• Plasma 5 and Frameworks 5
• 2015 Wayland enters the room.
• Plasma Mobile
• Plasma Bigscreen
• KDE Neon
• Slimbook
• KDE Plasma is chosen for the Steam Deck when in Desktop Mode!
• The development and chat platforms move to Gitlab and Matrix.
• The first release candidate for Plasma 6
• Plasma 6's release date is planned for February 28th of 2024.

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Welcome to the Linux User Space

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• Leo's motionEyeOS Pi image
• Dan's RetroPie

KDE Neon

• KDE Neon
• KDE Neon Roots
• Trolltech
• KDE Free QT Foundation
• A visual look at the desktop changes.
  • K Desktop Environment 1.0
  • K Desktop Environment 2.0
  • K Desktop Environment 3.0
  • KDE Software Compilation 4.0
  • KDE Plasma 5
• Linus Torvalds quote about KDE 4.0
• KDE Slimbook

Basic Distro Details

• Two Flavors, a "User Edition" and a "Developer's edition"
  
• Name - KDE Neon
• Base System - Ubuntu 20.04
• Desktop Environment - Plasma 5
  
• File Manager - Dolphin
• Package Manager - Discover
• Kernel - 5.4
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• X11 is there as well as Wayland

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