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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we cover, Fedora and AI, correct ourselves on SecureBlue, and UNIX Wars part deux.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Coming up in this episode&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;We put a hat on AI&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The SecureBlue/ublue thing&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The UNIX Wars part deux&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;0:00 Cold Open&lt;br&gt;
1:49 Artificial Fedora&lt;br&gt;
28:35 The ImmutaBlues&lt;br&gt;
54:01 Feedback&lt;br&gt;
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix&lt;br&gt;
59:28 Ian on Unix&lt;br&gt;
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync&lt;br&gt;
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update&lt;br&gt;
1:14:41 Next Time&lt;br&gt;
1:18:03 Stinger&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Video Version!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Support us here!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;AI dons a hat 🤖🎩&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;📣Announcements📣&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;This program was made possible by:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️&lt;a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️&lt;a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILvids&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And by contributions to your L-U-S station by &lt;a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Patrons&lt;/a&gt; like you 😍&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Course correction on Secureblue&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;We messed up but &lt;a href="https://github.com/qoijjj" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;RoyalOughtness&lt;/a&gt;, the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Atomic Fedora is the &lt;a href="https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/how-to-rebase-to-universal-blues-base-images/868" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;start of the pipeline:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/anko/xkbcat" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;xkbcat&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;📣More Announcements📣&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, &lt;a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;contact@linuxuserspace.show&lt;/a&gt; OR jump on over to the &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;open forum on Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Reverb Focus&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Tane via Email&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tane uses &lt;a href="https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Nextcloud Notes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Also &lt;a href="https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/iotas" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Iotas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Unix Wars&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;[The terms of the Open Group](Open Group &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Current Open Group members&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Ian via email&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days.  They started out as licensed UNIX  Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&amp;amp;T and passed whatever requirements AT&amp;amp;T had at the time.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Chris via email&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://obsidian.md/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Obsidian&lt;/a&gt; is not FOSS.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://logseq.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Logseq&lt;/a&gt; is overwhelming at first but good now.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;🧹Housekeeping🧹&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🗞️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📰 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;subreddit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;⌨️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Discord Server&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📲 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Telegram&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;✉️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Matrix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🐘 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mastodon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📜 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILVids&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;🔭Next Time🔭&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We plan to explore and provide the history of &lt;a href="https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;XZ Utils&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Producer&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruno&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;John&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Johnny&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Co-Producer&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tim&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;GrouchyM&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Super User&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A.J.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Advait&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CubicleNate&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Eduardo S.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hausken&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jeff3ix&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jill and Steve&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Larry&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LiNuXsys666&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Livet&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Musical Coder&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nicholas&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nick&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;pjol&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;sleepyeyesvince&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Saigoneer&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tobias &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>We put a hat on AI</li>
<li>The SecureBlue/ublue thing</li>
<li>The UNIX Wars part deux</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:49 Artificial Fedora<br>
28:35 The ImmutaBlues<br>
54:01 Feedback<br>
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix<br>
59:28 Ian on Unix<br>
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync<br>
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update<br>
1:14:41 Next Time<br>
1:18:03 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU" rel="nofollow noopener">The Video Version!</a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU" rel="nofollow noopener">https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Support us here!</a><br>
<a href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace</a></p>

<h2>AI dons a hat 🤖🎩</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/" rel="nofollow noopener">Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>📣Announcements📣</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Patrons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>Course correction on Secureblue</h2>

<ul>
<li>We messed up but <a href="https://github.com/qoijjj" rel="nofollow noopener">RoyalOughtness</a>, the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.</li>
<li>Atomic Fedora is the <a href="https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/how-to-rebase-to-universal-blues-base-images/868" rel="nofollow noopener">start of the pipeline:</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/anko/xkbcat" rel="nofollow noopener">xkbcat</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>📣More Announcements📣</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a> OR jump on over to the <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener">open forum on Lemmy</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Reverb Focus</h2>

<h3>Tane via Email</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tane uses <a href="https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes" rel="nofollow noopener">Nextcloud Notes</a></li>
<li>Also <a href="https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/iotas" rel="nofollow noopener">Iotas</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars" rel="nofollow noopener">Unix Wars</a></li>
<li>[The terms of the Open Group](Open Group <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html" rel="nofollow noopener">https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/" rel="nofollow noopener">Current Open Group members</a></li>
</ul>

<h3>Ian via email</h3>

<ul>
<li>BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days.  They started out as licensed UNIX  Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&amp;T and passed whatever requirements AT&amp;T had at the time.</li>
</ul>

<h3>Chris via email</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://obsidian.md/" rel="nofollow noopener">Obsidian</a> is not FOSS.</li>
<li><a href="https://logseq.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Logseq</a> is overwhelming at first but good now.</li>
</ul>

<h2>🧹Housekeeping🧹</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>🗞️ Linux User Space <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">Lemmy</a></li>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener">subreddit</a></li>
<li>⌨️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord Server</a></li>
<li>📲 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener">Telegram</a></li>
<li>✉️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener">Matrix</a></li>
<li>📽️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a></li>
<li>🐘 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener">Mastodon</a></li>
<li>📜 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>🔭Next Time🔭</h2>

<p><strong>We plan to explore and provide the history of <a href="https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz" rel="nofollow noopener">XZ Utils</a>.</strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
<li>GrouchyM</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>A.J.</li>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jeff3ix</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>pjol</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
<li>The Saigoneer</li>
<li>Tobias</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>We put a hat on AI</li>
<li>The SecureBlue/ublue thing</li>
<li>The UNIX Wars part deux</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:49 Artificial Fedora<br>
28:35 The ImmutaBlues<br>
54:01 Feedback<br>
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix<br>
59:28 Ian on Unix<br>
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync<br>
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update<br>
1:14:41 Next Time<br>
1:18:03 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU" rel="nofollow noopener">The Video Version!</a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU" rel="nofollow noopener">https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Support us here!</a><br>
<a href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace</a></p>

<h2>AI dons a hat 🤖🎩</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/" rel="nofollow noopener">Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>📣Announcements📣</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Patrons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>Course correction on Secureblue</h2>

<ul>
<li>We messed up but <a href="https://github.com/qoijjj" rel="nofollow noopener">RoyalOughtness</a>, the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.</li>
<li>Atomic Fedora is the <a href="https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/how-to-rebase-to-universal-blues-base-images/868" rel="nofollow noopener">start of the pipeline:</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/anko/xkbcat" rel="nofollow noopener">xkbcat</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>📣More Announcements📣</h2>

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</ul>

<h2>Reverb Focus</h2>

<h3>Tane via Email</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tane uses <a href="https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes" rel="nofollow noopener">Nextcloud Notes</a></li>
<li>Also <a href="https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/iotas" rel="nofollow noopener">Iotas</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars" rel="nofollow noopener">Unix Wars</a></li>
<li>[The terms of the Open Group](Open Group <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html" rel="nofollow noopener">https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html</a>)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/" rel="nofollow noopener">Current Open Group members</a></li>
</ul>

<h3>Ian via email</h3>

<ul>
<li>BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days.  They started out as licensed UNIX  Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&amp;T and passed whatever requirements AT&amp;T had at the time.</li>
</ul>

<h3>Chris via email</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://obsidian.md/" rel="nofollow noopener">Obsidian</a> is not FOSS.</li>
<li><a href="https://logseq.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">Logseq</a> is overwhelming at first but good now.</li>
</ul>

<h2>🧹Housekeeping🧹</h2>

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<h2>🔭Next Time🔭</h2>

<p><strong>We plan to explore and provide the history of <a href="https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz" rel="nofollow noopener">XZ Utils</a>.</strong></p>

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<li>Tim</li>
<li>GrouchyM</li>
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<h4>Super User</h4>

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<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
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<li>Hausken</li>
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  <title>Episode 4:04: Happy Rebasing to Everyone!</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Linux User Space</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>The history of Linux distros and apps. Maybe some current events, if you're lucky. In this episode we discuss Fedora Silverblue and other Fedora based immutable desktops. We give the history and talk about our experience.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>1:34:08</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Coming up in this episode&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The prying eyes wanna know 👀&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The History of Silverblue&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What's immutable anyway?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;and how we layered a few packages&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;0:00 Cold Open&lt;br&gt;
1:44 Telemetry Trouble&lt;br&gt;
27:45 Silverblue 2012&lt;br&gt;
30:49 Silverblue 2013-2014&lt;br&gt;
33:55 Silverblue 2015-2017&lt;br&gt;
34:50 Silverblue 2018&lt;br&gt;
38:25 Silverblue 2019-2021&lt;br&gt;
39:56 Silverblue 2022-2023&lt;br&gt;
41:47 An Immutability Primer?&lt;br&gt;
1:01:39 How'd Silverblue Go?&lt;br&gt;
1:28:42 Next Time: Topics &amp;amp; CDE&lt;br&gt;
1:33:04 Stinger&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The video version!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Banter&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora considers adding telemetry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Wiki on the proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Endless OS's optional telemetry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320/774" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Discussion thread&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

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&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;The History of Fedora Silverblue&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/OSTree/NixOSComparison" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Multiple Bootable Roots&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://lwn.net/Articles/511877/#walters" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;From GUADEC 2012 - OSTree&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/GnomeContinuous" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Gnome Continuous&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Walters &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0ZEHPXJ9Q" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;described&lt;/a&gt; OSTree as "a magic formula."&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;March 20, 2013 - &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Docker is born&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Linux" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;CoreOS&lt;/a&gt; sees its first public release in October of 2013.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Red Hat &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131128171128/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/11/26/rhel6-5-ga/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;official inclusion&lt;/a&gt; of Docker with RHEL 6.5&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/announcing-project-atomic/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;April 2014 - Project Atomic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The actual distro building &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/05/the-difference-between-project-atomic-and-atomic-hosts/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;was left&lt;/a&gt; to the actual distro projects.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/build-your-own-atomic-host-on-fedora-20/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Instructions to build on top of Fedora 20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;CENTOS and RHEL partner&lt;/a&gt; which &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/06/centos-atomic-host-sig-propposed/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;began the journey to Atomic Host&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A Fedora Atomic Host installable ISO &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/07/new-fedora-atomic-installable-iso/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;becomes available&lt;/a&gt; based on Rawhide.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;August 2014 - CentOS Atomic Host alpha builds &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/08/centos-7-alpha-builds-for-atomic/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;were available&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;December 2014 - Fedora 21 &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/12/fedora-21-goes-gold-with-atomic-images/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;releases with Atomic Host images&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;March 2015 - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150312173742/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2015/03/05/announcement-rhel-atomic-host-ga/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;released&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;July 2015 - &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2016/07/hacking-and-extending-atomic-host/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Package layering&lt;/a&gt; was introduced.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Atomic Hosts came and went, &lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;including&lt;/a&gt; bi-weekly &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2015/12/fedora-atomic-host-two-week-release-ready/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;releases&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2016 - XDG-App was &lt;a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/flatpak/2016-May/000204.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;renamed Flatpak&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2018 - CoreOS Docker platform was &lt;a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acquire-coreos-expanding-its-kubernetes-and-containers-leadership" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;acquired by Red Hat&lt;/a&gt; in January. It became, &lt;a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2018/05/welcome-redhat-coreos/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Red Hat CoreOS&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Fedora flavor would live on as... &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180505090226/https://www.teamsilverblue.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Team Silverblue&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The domain name and handles around the web &lt;a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/_attachments/team-silverblue-origins.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;were available&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;It was almost called &lt;a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/faq/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Silverleaf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;October 30, 2018 - Fedora 29 &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190407211446/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;was released&lt;/a&gt; with a Silverblue variant. Matthew Miller on Fedora Magazine &lt;a href="https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;noted&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Fedora Council &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191121020222/https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedoras-strategic-direction-an-update-from-the-council/796" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;made the decision&lt;/a&gt; to tighten things up regarding naming.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2019 - Fedora 30 and the Silverblue variant &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201201201318/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;were released&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2021 - Silverblue 35 in November, &lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Kinoite&lt;/a&gt; appears.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2023 - Silverblue 38 in April, &lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Sericea&lt;/a&gt; appears.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Further Reading&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Silverblue Technical information&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;rpm-ostree documentation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://documentation.vanillaos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Vanilla OS documentation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;ABRoot&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;blendOS documentation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://ostreedev.github.io/ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;libostree&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/sodaliterocks/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Sodalite&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://bazzite.gg/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Bazzite&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://universal-blue.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Universal Blue&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;More Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, &lt;a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;contact@linuxuserspace.show&lt;/a&gt; OR jump on over to the &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;open forum on Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Housekeeping&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🗞️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;⌨️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Discord Server&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Next Time&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Some topics and some feedback. Our next distro isn't a distro, what? We plan to explore and provide the history of &lt;a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;CDE or Common Desktop Environment&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Producer&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruno&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;John&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Johnny&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Co-Producer&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tim&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Super User&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A.J.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Advait&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CubicleNate&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Eduardo S.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hausken&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jill and Steve&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Larry&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LiNuXsys666&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Livet&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Musical Coder&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nicholas&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nick&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;sleepyeyesvince &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>LUS, Linux User Space, Leo Chavez, Dan Simmons, Fedora, Silverblue, Kinoite, Sericea, Bazzite, Sodalite, immutable, ostree</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The prying eyes wanna know 👀</li>
<li>The History of Silverblue</li>
<li>What's immutable anyway?</li>
<li>and how we layered a few packages</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:44 Telemetry Trouble<br>
27:45 Silverblue 2012<br>
30:49 Silverblue 2013-2014<br>
33:55 Silverblue 2015-2017<br>
34:50 Silverblue 2018<br>
38:25 Silverblue 2019-2021<br>
39:56 Silverblue 2022-2023<br>
41:47 An Immutability Primer?<br>
1:01:39 How'd Silverblue Go?<br>
1:28:42 Next Time: Topics &amp; CDE<br>
1:33:04 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>The video version!</strong></a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora considers adding telemetry</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Wiki on the proposal</a></li>
<li><a href="https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless OS's optional telemetry</a></li>
<li><a href="https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320/774" rel="nofollow noopener">Discussion thread</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Patrons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>The History of Fedora Silverblue</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/OSTree/NixOSComparison" rel="nofollow noopener">Multiple Bootable Roots</a></li>
<li><a href="https://lwn.net/Articles/511877/#walters" rel="nofollow noopener">From GUADEC 2012 - OSTree</a></li>
<li><a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/GnomeContinuous" rel="nofollow noopener">Gnome Continuous</a></li>
<li>Walters <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0ZEHPXJ9Q" rel="nofollow noopener">described</a> OSTree as "a magic formula."</li>
<li>March 20, 2013 - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)" rel="nofollow noopener">Docker is born</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Linux" rel="nofollow noopener">CoreOS</a> sees its first public release in October of 2013.</li>
<li>Red Hat <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131128171128/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/11/26/rhel6-5-ga/" rel="nofollow noopener">official inclusion</a> of Docker with RHEL 6.5</li>
<li><a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/announcing-project-atomic/" rel="nofollow noopener">April 2014 - Project Atomic</a></li>
<li>The actual distro building <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/05/the-difference-between-project-atomic-and-atomic-hosts/" rel="nofollow noopener">was left</a> to the actual distro projects.</li>
<li><a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/build-your-own-atomic-host-on-fedora-20/" rel="nofollow noopener">Instructions to build on top of Fedora 20</a></li>
<li><a href="https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html" rel="nofollow noopener">CENTOS and RHEL partner</a> which <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/06/centos-atomic-host-sig-propposed/" rel="nofollow noopener">began the journey to Atomic Host</a>.</li>
<li>A Fedora Atomic Host installable ISO <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/07/new-fedora-atomic-installable-iso/" rel="nofollow noopener">becomes available</a> based on Rawhide.</li>
<li>August 2014 - CentOS Atomic Host alpha builds <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/08/centos-7-alpha-builds-for-atomic/" rel="nofollow noopener">were available</a>.</li>
<li>December 2014 - Fedora 21 <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/12/fedora-21-goes-gold-with-atomic-images/" rel="nofollow noopener">releases with Atomic Host images</a>.</li>
<li>March 2015 - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150312173742/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2015/03/05/announcement-rhel-atomic-host-ga/" rel="nofollow noopener">released</a>.</li>
<li>July 2015 - <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2016/07/hacking-and-extending-atomic-host/" rel="nofollow noopener">Package layering</a> was introduced.</li>
<li>Atomic Hosts came and went, <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic" rel="nofollow noopener">including</a> bi-weekly <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2015/12/fedora-atomic-host-two-week-release-ready/" rel="nofollow noopener">releases</a></li>
<li>2016 - XDG-App was <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/flatpak/2016-May/000204.html" rel="nofollow noopener">renamed Flatpak</a>.</li>
<li>2018 - CoreOS Docker platform was <a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acquire-coreos-expanding-its-kubernetes-and-containers-leadership" rel="nofollow noopener">acquired by Red Hat</a> in January. It became, <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2018/05/welcome-redhat-coreos/" rel="nofollow noopener">Red Hat CoreOS</a>.</li>
<li>The Fedora flavor would live on as... <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180505090226/https://www.teamsilverblue.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Team Silverblue</a>.</li>
<li>The domain name and handles around the web <a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/_attachments/team-silverblue-origins.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener">were available</a></li>
<li>It was almost called <a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/faq/" rel="nofollow noopener">Silverleaf</a></li>
<li>October 30, 2018 - Fedora 29 <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190407211446/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">was released</a> with a Silverblue variant. Matthew Miller on Fedora Magazine <a href="https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/" rel="nofollow noopener">noted</a>.</li>
<li>The Fedora Council <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191121020222/https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedoras-strategic-direction-an-update-from-the-council/796" rel="nofollow noopener">made the decision</a> to tighten things up regarding naming.</li>
<li>2019 - Fedora 30 and the Silverblue variant <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201201201318/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">were released</a></li>
<li>2021 - Silverblue 35 in November, <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Kinoite</a> appears.</li>
<li>2023 - Silverblue 38 in April, <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Sericea</a> appears.</li>
</ul>

<h3>Further Reading</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Silverblue Technical information</a></li>
<li><a href="https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener">rpm-ostree documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://documentation.vanillaos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vanilla OS documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot" rel="nofollow noopener">ABRoot</a></li>
<li><a href="https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro" rel="nofollow noopener">blendOS documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ostreedev.github.io/ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener">libostree</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/sodaliterocks/" rel="nofollow noopener">Sodalite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bazzite.gg/" rel="nofollow noopener">Bazzite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://universal-blue.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Universal Blue</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a> OR jump on over to the <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener">open forum on Lemmy</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>🗞️ Linux User Space <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">Lemmy</a></li>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener">subreddit</a></li>
<li>⌨️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord Server</a></li>
<li>📲 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener">Telegram</a></li>
<li>✉️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener">Matrix</a></li>
<li>📽️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a></li>
<li>🐘 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener">Mastodon</a></li>
<li>📜 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>Some topics and some feedback. Our next distro isn't a distro, what? We plan to explore and provide the history of <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/" rel="nofollow noopener">CDE or Common Desktop Environment</a>.</strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>A.J.</li>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>The prying eyes wanna know 👀</li>
<li>The History of Silverblue</li>
<li>What's immutable anyway?</li>
<li>and how we layered a few packages</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:44 Telemetry Trouble<br>
27:45 Silverblue 2012<br>
30:49 Silverblue 2013-2014<br>
33:55 Silverblue 2015-2017<br>
34:50 Silverblue 2018<br>
38:25 Silverblue 2019-2021<br>
39:56 Silverblue 2022-2023<br>
41:47 An Immutability Primer?<br>
1:01:39 How'd Silverblue Go?<br>
1:28:42 Next Time: Topics &amp; CDE<br>
1:33:04 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>The video version!</strong></a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora considers adding telemetry</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Wiki on the proposal</a></li>
<li><a href="https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless OS's optional telemetry</a></li>
<li><a href="https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320/774" rel="nofollow noopener">Discussion thread</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Patrons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>The History of Fedora Silverblue</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/OSTree/NixOSComparison" rel="nofollow noopener">Multiple Bootable Roots</a></li>
<li><a href="https://lwn.net/Articles/511877/#walters" rel="nofollow noopener">From GUADEC 2012 - OSTree</a></li>
<li><a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/GnomeContinuous" rel="nofollow noopener">Gnome Continuous</a></li>
<li>Walters <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0ZEHPXJ9Q" rel="nofollow noopener">described</a> OSTree as "a magic formula."</li>
<li>March 20, 2013 - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)" rel="nofollow noopener">Docker is born</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Linux" rel="nofollow noopener">CoreOS</a> sees its first public release in October of 2013.</li>
<li>Red Hat <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131128171128/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/11/26/rhel6-5-ga/" rel="nofollow noopener">official inclusion</a> of Docker with RHEL 6.5</li>
<li><a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/announcing-project-atomic/" rel="nofollow noopener">April 2014 - Project Atomic</a></li>
<li>The actual distro building <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/05/the-difference-between-project-atomic-and-atomic-hosts/" rel="nofollow noopener">was left</a> to the actual distro projects.</li>
<li><a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/build-your-own-atomic-host-on-fedora-20/" rel="nofollow noopener">Instructions to build on top of Fedora 20</a></li>
<li><a href="https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html" rel="nofollow noopener">CENTOS and RHEL partner</a> which <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/06/centos-atomic-host-sig-propposed/" rel="nofollow noopener">began the journey to Atomic Host</a>.</li>
<li>A Fedora Atomic Host installable ISO <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/07/new-fedora-atomic-installable-iso/" rel="nofollow noopener">becomes available</a> based on Rawhide.</li>
<li>August 2014 - CentOS Atomic Host alpha builds <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/08/centos-7-alpha-builds-for-atomic/" rel="nofollow noopener">were available</a>.</li>
<li>December 2014 - Fedora 21 <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/12/fedora-21-goes-gold-with-atomic-images/" rel="nofollow noopener">releases with Atomic Host images</a>.</li>
<li>March 2015 - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150312173742/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2015/03/05/announcement-rhel-atomic-host-ga/" rel="nofollow noopener">released</a>.</li>
<li>July 2015 - <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2016/07/hacking-and-extending-atomic-host/" rel="nofollow noopener">Package layering</a> was introduced.</li>
<li>Atomic Hosts came and went, <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic" rel="nofollow noopener">including</a> bi-weekly <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2015/12/fedora-atomic-host-two-week-release-ready/" rel="nofollow noopener">releases</a></li>
<li>2016 - XDG-App was <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/flatpak/2016-May/000204.html" rel="nofollow noopener">renamed Flatpak</a>.</li>
<li>2018 - CoreOS Docker platform was <a href="https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acquire-coreos-expanding-its-kubernetes-and-containers-leadership" rel="nofollow noopener">acquired by Red Hat</a> in January. It became, <a href="https://projectatomic.io/blog/2018/05/welcome-redhat-coreos/" rel="nofollow noopener">Red Hat CoreOS</a>.</li>
<li>The Fedora flavor would live on as... <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180505090226/https://www.teamsilverblue.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Team Silverblue</a>.</li>
<li>The domain name and handles around the web <a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/_attachments/team-silverblue-origins.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener">were available</a></li>
<li>It was almost called <a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/faq/" rel="nofollow noopener">Silverleaf</a></li>
<li>October 30, 2018 - Fedora 29 <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190407211446/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">was released</a> with a Silverblue variant. Matthew Miller on Fedora Magazine <a href="https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/" rel="nofollow noopener">noted</a>.</li>
<li>The Fedora Council <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191121020222/https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedoras-strategic-direction-an-update-from-the-council/796" rel="nofollow noopener">made the decision</a> to tighten things up regarding naming.</li>
<li>2019 - Fedora 30 and the Silverblue variant <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201201201318/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">were released</a></li>
<li>2021 - Silverblue 35 in November, <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Kinoite</a> appears.</li>
<li>2023 - Silverblue 38 in April, <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Sericea</a> appears.</li>
</ul>

<h3>Further Reading</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Silverblue Technical information</a></li>
<li><a href="https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener">rpm-ostree documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://documentation.vanillaos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vanilla OS documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot" rel="nofollow noopener">ABRoot</a></li>
<li><a href="https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro" rel="nofollow noopener">blendOS documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ostreedev.github.io/ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener">libostree</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/sodaliterocks/" rel="nofollow noopener">Sodalite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://bazzite.gg/" rel="nofollow noopener">Bazzite</a></li>
<li><a href="https://universal-blue.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Universal Blue</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a> OR jump on over to the <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener">open forum on Lemmy</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>🗞️ Linux User Space <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">Lemmy</a></li>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener">subreddit</a></li>
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<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>Some topics and some feedback. Our next distro isn't a distro, what? We plan to explore and provide the history of <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/" rel="nofollow noopener">CDE or Common Desktop Environment</a>.</strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>A.J.</li>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 4:03: This is the WEI</title>
  <link>https://www.linuxuserspace.show/403</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Linux User Space</author>
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  <itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Linux User Space</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>The history of Linux distros and apps. Maybe some current events, if you're lucky. In this episode we discuss Web Environment Integrity (WEI), cover some feedback, banter about immutable operating systems, focus on some hardware and check in on our Gentoo journey.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Coming up in this episode&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Immutability is confusing&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Going the wrong WEI (or W-E-I)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Reverb Focus&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hardware Focus&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And Gentoo Focus&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;0:00 Cold Open&lt;br&gt;
1:34 Immutability Is Confusing&lt;br&gt;
21:25 Going the Wrong WEI&lt;br&gt;
40:55 Reverb Focus&lt;br&gt;
45:56 Community Focus&lt;br&gt;
51:09 Gentoo Focus&lt;br&gt;
1:29:25 Next Time&lt;br&gt;
1:31:02 Stinger&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The video version&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Banter&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Silverblue Technical information&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;rpm-ostree documentation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://documentation.vanillaos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Vanilla OS documentation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;ABRoot&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;blendOS documentation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;This program was made possible by:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️&lt;a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️&lt;a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILvids&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And by contributions to your L-U-S station by &lt;a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Patreons&lt;/a&gt; like you 😍&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Web Environment Integrity&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2015 - &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;AMP&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2019 - Google proposed &lt;a href="https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/web-bundles/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Web Bundles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2021 - Google &lt;a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;weakened the power of extensions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;May 2022 - First party sets were introduced through the W3C by Google but in June 2022, the W3C decided to &lt;a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacycg/2022Jun/0003.html" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;drop the idea&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;April 24, 2023 - The &lt;a href="https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;original Google WEI proposal post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;July 24, 2023 - &lt;a href="https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mozilla's rebuke&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;July 25, 2023 - &lt;a href="https://vivaldi.com/blog/googles-new-dangerous-web-environment-integrity-spec/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Vivaldi's rebuke&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;August 1, 2023 - &lt;a href="https://brave.com/web-standards-at-brave/9-web-environment-integrity/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Brave's rebuke&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;August 8, 2023 - &lt;a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The EFF rebuke&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;More Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, &lt;a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;contact@linuxuserspace.show&lt;/a&gt; OR jump on over to the &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;open forum on Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Reverb Focus, all about the feedback.&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Lily&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Hackerdefo&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have created a few useful (hopefully) gists related to Debian&lt;br&gt;
sources.list files and Debian download links. Here are links to those gists,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;My Blog -&amp;gt; &lt;a href="https://hakerdefo.github.io" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://hakerdefo.github.io&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;My Projects -&amp;gt; &lt;a href="https://github.com/hakerdefo" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://github.com/hakerdefo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Housekeeping&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🗞️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📰 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;subreddit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;⌨️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Discord Server&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📲 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Telegram&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;✉️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Matrix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🐘 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mastodon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📜 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILVids&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Community Focus - &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Hardware Haven&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;YouTube&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://discord.gg/25a6qVdSMh" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Discord&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Gentoo Focus&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;use &lt;a href="https://packages.gentoo.org" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://packages.gentoo.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;read the news - &lt;code&gt;eselect news read new&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;pay attention to &lt;a href="https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage)" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;profile selection&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Next Time&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The history of the Fedora Immutable Desktops so &lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Silverblue&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Kinoite&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fedora Sericea&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Producer&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruno&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;John&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Johnny&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Co-Producer&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tim&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Super User&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Advait&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CubicleNate&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Eduardo S.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hausken&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jill and Steve&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Larry&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LiNuXsys666&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Livet&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Musical Coder&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nicholas&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nick&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;sleepyeyesvince &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>LUS, Linux User Space, Leo Chavez, Dan Simmons, hardware haven, immutable, Gentoo, WEI, Web Integrity Environment</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Immutability is confusing</li>
<li>Going the wrong WEI (or W-E-I)</li>
<li>Reverb Focus</li>
<li>Hardware Focus</li>
<li>And Gentoo Focus</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:34 Immutability Is Confusing<br>
21:25 Going the Wrong WEI<br>
40:55 Reverb Focus<br>
45:56 Community Focus<br>
51:09 Gentoo Focus<br>
1:29:25 Next Time<br>
1:31:02 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>The video version</strong></a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Silverblue Technical information</a></li>
<li><a href="https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener">rpm-ostree documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://documentation.vanillaos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vanilla OS documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot" rel="nofollow noopener">ABRoot</a></li>
<li><a href="https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro" rel="nofollow noopener">blendOS documentation</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Patreons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>Web Environment Integrity</h2>

<ul>
<li>2015 - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages" rel="nofollow noopener">AMP</a></li>
<li>2019 - Google proposed <a href="https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/web-bundles/" rel="nofollow noopener">Web Bundles</a></li>
<li>2021 - Google <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening" rel="nofollow noopener">weakened the power of extensions</a></li>
<li>May 2022 - First party sets were introduced through the W3C by Google but in June 2022, the W3C decided to <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacycg/2022Jun/0003.html" rel="nofollow noopener">drop the idea</a>.</li>
<li>April 24, 2023 - The <a href="https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md" rel="nofollow noopener">original Google WEI proposal post</a></li>
<li>July 24, 2023 - <a href="https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747" rel="nofollow noopener">Mozilla's rebuke</a></li>
<li>July 25, 2023 - <a href="https://vivaldi.com/blog/googles-new-dangerous-web-environment-integrity-spec/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vivaldi's rebuke</a></li>
<li>August 1, 2023 - <a href="https://brave.com/web-standards-at-brave/9-web-environment-integrity/" rel="nofollow noopener">Brave's rebuke</a></li>
<li>August 8, 2023 - <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1" rel="nofollow noopener">The EFF rebuke</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a> OR jump on over to the <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow noopener">open forum on Lemmy</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Reverb Focus, all about the feedback.</h2>

<h4>Lily</h4>

<p><a href="https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/" rel="nofollow noopener">https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/</a></p>

<h4>Hackerdefo</h4>

<p>I have created a few useful (hopefully) gists related to Debian<br>
sources.list files and Debian download links. Here are links to those gists,</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa</a></li>
<li>My Blog -&gt; <a href="https://hakerdefo.github.io" rel="nofollow noopener">https://hakerdefo.github.io</a></li>
<li>My Projects -&gt; <a href="https://github.com/hakerdefo" rel="nofollow noopener">https://github.com/hakerdefo</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>🗞️ Linux User Space <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">Lemmy</a></li>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener">subreddit</a></li>
<li>⌨️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord Server</a></li>
<li>📲 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener">Telegram</a></li>
<li>✉️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener">Matrix</a></li>
<li>📽️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a></li>
<li>🐘 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener">Mastodon</a></li>
<li>📜 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Community Focus - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven" rel="nofollow noopener">Hardware Haven</a></h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven" rel="nofollow noopener">YouTube</a></li>
<li><a href="https://discord.gg/25a6qVdSMh" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Gentoo Focus</h2>

<ul>
<li>use <a href="https://packages.gentoo.org" rel="nofollow noopener">https://packages.gentoo.org</a></li>
<li>read the news - <code>eselect news read new</code></li>
<li>pay attention to <a href="https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage)" rel="nofollow noopener">profile selection</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>The history of the Fedora Immutable Desktops so <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Silverblue</a> or <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Kinoite</a> or <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Sericea</a>.</strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Immutability is confusing</li>
<li>Going the wrong WEI (or W-E-I)</li>
<li>Reverb Focus</li>
<li>Hardware Focus</li>
<li>And Gentoo Focus</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:34 Immutability Is Confusing<br>
21:25 Going the Wrong WEI<br>
40:55 Reverb Focus<br>
45:56 Community Focus<br>
51:09 Gentoo Focus<br>
1:29:25 Next Time<br>
1:31:02 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk" rel="nofollow noopener"><strong>The video version</strong></a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Silverblue Technical information</a></li>
<li><a href="https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/" rel="nofollow noopener">rpm-ostree documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://documentation.vanillaos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vanilla OS documentation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot" rel="nofollow noopener">ABRoot</a></li>
<li><a href="https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro" rel="nofollow noopener">blendOS documentation</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">Patreons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>Web Environment Integrity</h2>

<ul>
<li>2015 - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages" rel="nofollow noopener">AMP</a></li>
<li>2019 - Google proposed <a href="https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/web-bundles/" rel="nofollow noopener">Web Bundles</a></li>
<li>2021 - Google <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening" rel="nofollow noopener">weakened the power of extensions</a></li>
<li>May 2022 - First party sets were introduced through the W3C by Google but in June 2022, the W3C decided to <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacycg/2022Jun/0003.html" rel="nofollow noopener">drop the idea</a>.</li>
<li>April 24, 2023 - The <a href="https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md" rel="nofollow noopener">original Google WEI proposal post</a></li>
<li>July 24, 2023 - <a href="https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747" rel="nofollow noopener">Mozilla's rebuke</a></li>
<li>July 25, 2023 - <a href="https://vivaldi.com/blog/googles-new-dangerous-web-environment-integrity-spec/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vivaldi's rebuke</a></li>
<li>August 1, 2023 - <a href="https://brave.com/web-standards-at-brave/9-web-environment-integrity/" rel="nofollow noopener">Brave's rebuke</a></li>
<li>August 8, 2023 - <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1" rel="nofollow noopener">The EFF rebuke</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
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</ul>

<h2>Reverb Focus, all about the feedback.</h2>

<h4>Lily</h4>

<p><a href="https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/" rel="nofollow noopener">https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/</a></p>

<h4>Hackerdefo</h4>

<p>I have created a few useful (hopefully) gists related to Debian<br>
sources.list files and Debian download links. Here are links to those gists,</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa</a></li>
<li>My Blog -&gt; <a href="https://hakerdefo.github.io" rel="nofollow noopener">https://hakerdefo.github.io</a></li>
<li>My Projects -&gt; <a href="https://github.com/hakerdefo" rel="nofollow noopener">https://github.com/hakerdefo</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

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<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
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<h2>Community Focus - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven" rel="nofollow noopener">Hardware Haven</a></h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven" rel="nofollow noopener">YouTube</a></li>
<li><a href="https://discord.gg/25a6qVdSMh" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Gentoo Focus</h2>

<ul>
<li>use <a href="https://packages.gentoo.org" rel="nofollow noopener">https://packages.gentoo.org</a></li>
<li>read the news - <code>eselect news read new</code></li>
<li>pay attention to <a href="https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage)" rel="nofollow noopener">profile selection</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>The history of the Fedora Immutable Desktops so <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Silverblue</a> or <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Kinoite</a> or <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/" rel="nofollow noopener">Fedora Sericea</a>.</strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

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<h2>Producer</h2>

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<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 3:18: The Neverending Story</title>
  <link>https://www.linuxuserspace.show/318</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2023 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Linux User Space</author>
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  <itunes:season>3</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Linux User Space</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>The history of Linux distros and apps. Maybe some current events, if you're lucky.
In this episode we cover the history of Endless OS and are also joined by a guest. We banter about scrolling in Chromium based browsers and virtualization environments.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>1:20:57</itunes:duration>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Coming up in this episode&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Never Ending History&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A Cassidy James Experience&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And we go berry picking&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Timestamps&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
0:00 Cold Open&lt;br&gt;
1:30 Vivaldi 5.7... Again&lt;br&gt;
3:20 Itty Bitty Server Things&lt;br&gt;
18:44 EndlessOS History, 2010-2012&lt;br&gt;
21:51 2013-2015&lt;br&gt;
25:36 2016-2018&lt;br&gt;
29:25 2019-2021&lt;br&gt;
32:57 2022-2023&lt;br&gt;
36:08 (A Short) How'd It Go?&lt;br&gt;
42:33 A Cassidy James Experience&lt;br&gt;
1:15:31 Next Time: Topics and Feedback&lt;br&gt;
1:19:53 Stinger&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;See&lt;/strong&gt; this episode on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Banter&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-5-7-on-desktop/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Vivaldi 5.7&lt;/a&gt; fixes Leo's scrolling &lt;a href="https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1270089#c27" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;woes.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dan installs &lt;a href="https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Proxmox VE&lt;/a&gt; on a couple of &lt;a href="https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04816235" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HP mini pcs.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️ Give us a sub on &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/youtube" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;YouTube&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILvids&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️ You can watch us live on &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitch&lt;/a&gt; the day after an episode drops.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;😍 If you like what we're doing here, make sure to send us a buck over at &lt;a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;EndlessOS the History&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180519033528/https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=241000702" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Endless Mobile Inc.'s was founded&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Computers started &lt;a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/posts/1276655" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;shipping in&lt;/a&gt; late June 2015.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mini-review/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Endless Mini&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;August 2016 Endless 3.0 was released as was the very First Linux distro to adopt &lt;a href="https://flatpak.org/about" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Flatpak&lt;/a&gt; for apps and have it configured for use out of the box.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;October 2016 Netflix and Flash were &lt;a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/attention-new-users-flash-and-netflix-temporarily-broken/327" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;broken&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jan 4, 2017 Endless &lt;a href="https://venturebeat.com/business/endless-expands-into-the-u-s-with-launch-of-129-mission-mini-and-249-mission-one-computers/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mission One and Mini&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="https://www.cnet.com/pictures/mission-mini/null/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;released&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mini-review/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mission Mini Review&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mission-one-review/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mission One Review&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;March 2017 &lt;a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/release-endless-os-version-3-1-3/1835" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;3.1.3 Released&lt;/a&gt; and now &lt;a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/iso-images-available-for-endless-os/1840" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;ISOs are now available&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;November 1 2018, 3.5 Released, but was &lt;a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/release-endless-os-3-5-1/8252" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;then quickly withdrawn&lt;/a&gt;. 3.5.1 was quickly delivered on November 16th addressing the issue.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;April 1, 2020 Endless drops its &lt;a href="https://www.endlessos.org/post/launching-endless-os-foundation" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;for-profit status and becomes a not-for-profit&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;November 2020 Hack and friends &lt;a href="https://www.hack-computer.com/post/update-hack-is-now-fully-open-source" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;go fully open source&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;June 2021 &lt;a href="https://www.endlessos.org/endless-laptop" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Endless Laptop&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;January 2023 &lt;a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os/release-notes/5" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;5.0 Released&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os/release-notes/4-0-14" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;4.0.14&lt;/a&gt; delivers the ability to upgrade to 5.0 which was previously not possible.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;March 7, 2023 &lt;a href="https://discourse.flathub.org/t/flathub-in-2023/3808" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Endless announces backing for Flathub&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Huge thanks to Cassidy James Blaede for taking the time to join us! Cassidy's web page is &lt;a href="https://cassidyjames.com" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Endless OS links&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://endlessos.com/home/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Main web site&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.endlessos.com/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Forum&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Wiki&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.endlessos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Endless OS Foundation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/description" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Early History&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/what-about-a-release-history/5277/3" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Release History&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170223110116/https://endlessos.com/our-computers/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Early PC's&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201117023525/https://github.com/endlessm/eos-desktop/tags?after=Release_2.0.1-rc1_debian" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;All Old Github Tagged versions ~2.0.0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;More Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, &lt;a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;contact@linuxuserspace.show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Housekeeping&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📰 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;subreddit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;📽️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🐘 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mastodon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📜 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILVids&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Next Time&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We will discuss a couple of topics and some feedback. Our next distro is &lt;a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Raspberry Pi OS&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Producer&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruno&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;John&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Johnny&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Co-Producer&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tim&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Super User&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Advait&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bjørnar&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CubicleNate&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Eduardo S.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jill and Steve&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Larry&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LiNuXsys666&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Livet&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Musical Coder&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nicholas&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Paul&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;sleepyeyesvince &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ol>
<li>The Never Ending History</li>
<li>A Cassidy James Experience</li>
<li>And we go berry picking</li>
</ol>

<p><strong>Timestamps</strong><br>
0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:30 Vivaldi 5.7... Again<br>
3:20 Itty Bitty Server Things<br>
18:44 EndlessOS History, 2010-2012<br>
21:51 2013-2015<br>
25:36 2016-2018<br>
29:25 2019-2021<br>
32:57 2022-2023<br>
36:08 (A Short) How'd It Go?<br>
42:33 A Cassidy James Experience<br>
1:15:31 Next Time: Topics and Feedback<br>
1:19:53 Stinger</p>

<p><strong>See</strong> this episode on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-5-7-on-desktop/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vivaldi 5.7</a> fixes Leo's scrolling <a href="https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1270089#c27" rel="nofollow noopener">woes.</a></li>
<li>Dan installs <a href="https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve" rel="nofollow noopener">Proxmox VE</a> on a couple of <a href="https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04816235" rel="nofollow noopener">HP mini pcs.</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>📺️ Give us a sub on <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/youtube" rel="nofollow noopener">YouTube</a> and <a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a>.</li>
<li>📽️ You can watch us live on <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a> the day after an episode drops.</li>
<li>😍 If you like what we're doing here, make sure to send us a buck over at <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>EndlessOS the History</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180519033528/https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=241000702" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless Mobile Inc.'s was founded</a>.</li>
<li>Computers started <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/posts/1276655" rel="nofollow noopener">shipping in</a> late June 2015.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mini-review/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Endless Mini</a>.</li>
<li>August 2016 Endless 3.0 was released as was the very First Linux distro to adopt <a href="https://flatpak.org/about" rel="nofollow noopener">Flatpak</a> for apps and have it configured for use out of the box.</li>
<li>October 2016 Netflix and Flash were <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/attention-new-users-flash-and-netflix-temporarily-broken/327" rel="nofollow noopener">broken</a>.</li>
<li>Jan 4, 2017 Endless <a href="https://venturebeat.com/business/endless-expands-into-the-u-s-with-launch-of-129-mission-mini-and-249-mission-one-computers/" rel="nofollow noopener">Mission One and Mini</a> <a href="https://www.cnet.com/pictures/mission-mini/null/" rel="nofollow noopener">released</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mini-review/" rel="nofollow noopener">Mission Mini Review</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mission-one-review/" rel="nofollow noopener">Mission One Review</a></li>
<li>March 2017 <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/release-endless-os-version-3-1-3/1835" rel="nofollow noopener">3.1.3 Released</a> and now <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/iso-images-available-for-endless-os/1840" rel="nofollow noopener">ISOs are now available</a>.</li>
<li>November 1 2018, 3.5 Released, but was <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/release-endless-os-3-5-1/8252" rel="nofollow noopener">then quickly withdrawn</a>. 3.5.1 was quickly delivered on November 16th addressing the issue.</li>
<li>April 1, 2020 Endless drops its <a href="https://www.endlessos.org/post/launching-endless-os-foundation" rel="nofollow noopener">for-profit status and becomes a not-for-profit</a>.</li>
<li>November 2020 Hack and friends <a href="https://www.hack-computer.com/post/update-hack-is-now-fully-open-source" rel="nofollow noopener">go fully open source</a>!</li>
<li>June 2021 <a href="https://www.endlessos.org/endless-laptop" rel="nofollow noopener">The Endless Laptop</a>.</li>
<li>January 2023 <a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os/release-notes/5" rel="nofollow noopener">5.0 Released</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os/release-notes/4-0-14" rel="nofollow noopener">4.0.14</a> delivers the ability to upgrade to 5.0 which was previously not possible.</li>
<li>March 7, 2023 <a href="https://discourse.flathub.org/t/flathub-in-2023/3808" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless announces backing for Flathub</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Huge thanks to Cassidy James Blaede for taking the time to join us! Cassidy's web page is <a href="https://cassidyjames.com" rel="nofollow noopener">here</a></strong></p>

<h3>Endless OS links</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://endlessos.com/home/" rel="nofollow noopener">Main web site</a></li>
<li><a href="https://community.endlessos.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Forum</a></li>
<li><a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os" rel="nofollow noopener">The Wiki</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.endlessos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless OS Foundation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/description" rel="nofollow noopener">The Early History</a></li>
<li><a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/what-about-a-release-history/5277/3" rel="nofollow noopener">The Release History</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170223110116/https://endlessos.com/our-computers/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Early PC's</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201117023525/https://github.com/endlessm/eos-desktop/tags?after=Release_2.0.1-rc1_debian" rel="nofollow noopener">All Old Github Tagged versions ~2.0.0</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener">subreddit</a></li>
<li>⌨️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord Server</a></li>
<li>📲 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener">Telegram</a></li>
<li>✉️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener">Matrix</a></li>
<li>📽️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a></li>
<li>🐘 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener">Mastodon</a></li>
<li>📜 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>We will discuss a couple of topics and some feedback. Our next distro is <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/" rel="nofollow noopener">Raspberry Pi OS</a></strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>Bjørnar</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Paul</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ol>
<li>The Never Ending History</li>
<li>A Cassidy James Experience</li>
<li>And we go berry picking</li>
</ol>

<p><strong>Timestamps</strong><br>
0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:30 Vivaldi 5.7... Again<br>
3:20 Itty Bitty Server Things<br>
18:44 EndlessOS History, 2010-2012<br>
21:51 2013-2015<br>
25:36 2016-2018<br>
29:25 2019-2021<br>
32:57 2022-2023<br>
36:08 (A Short) How'd It Go?<br>
42:33 A Cassidy James Experience<br>
1:15:31 Next Time: Topics and Feedback<br>
1:19:53 Stinger</p>

<p><strong>See</strong> this episode on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs" rel="nofollow noopener">Youtube</a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5AvLAusUIs</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-5-7-on-desktop/" rel="nofollow noopener">Vivaldi 5.7</a> fixes Leo's scrolling <a href="https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1270089#c27" rel="nofollow noopener">woes.</a></li>
<li>Dan installs <a href="https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve" rel="nofollow noopener">Proxmox VE</a> on a couple of <a href="https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04816235" rel="nofollow noopener">HP mini pcs.</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>📺️ Give us a sub on <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/youtube" rel="nofollow noopener">YouTube</a> and <a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">TILvids</a>.</li>
<li>📽️ You can watch us live on <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a> the day after an episode drops.</li>
<li>😍 If you like what we're doing here, make sure to send us a buck over at <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow noopener">https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>EndlessOS the History</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180519033528/https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=241000702" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless Mobile Inc.'s was founded</a>.</li>
<li>Computers started <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/posts/1276655" rel="nofollow noopener">shipping in</a> late June 2015.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mini-review/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Endless Mini</a>.</li>
<li>August 2016 Endless 3.0 was released as was the very First Linux distro to adopt <a href="https://flatpak.org/about" rel="nofollow noopener">Flatpak</a> for apps and have it configured for use out of the box.</li>
<li>October 2016 Netflix and Flash were <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/attention-new-users-flash-and-netflix-temporarily-broken/327" rel="nofollow noopener">broken</a>.</li>
<li>Jan 4, 2017 Endless <a href="https://venturebeat.com/business/endless-expands-into-the-u-s-with-launch-of-129-mission-mini-and-249-mission-one-computers/" rel="nofollow noopener">Mission One and Mini</a> <a href="https://www.cnet.com/pictures/mission-mini/null/" rel="nofollow noopener">released</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mini-review/" rel="nofollow noopener">Mission Mini Review</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cnet.com/reviews/endless-mission-one-review/" rel="nofollow noopener">Mission One Review</a></li>
<li>March 2017 <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/release-endless-os-version-3-1-3/1835" rel="nofollow noopener">3.1.3 Released</a> and now <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/iso-images-available-for-endless-os/1840" rel="nofollow noopener">ISOs are now available</a>.</li>
<li>November 1 2018, 3.5 Released, but was <a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/release-endless-os-3-5-1/8252" rel="nofollow noopener">then quickly withdrawn</a>. 3.5.1 was quickly delivered on November 16th addressing the issue.</li>
<li>April 1, 2020 Endless drops its <a href="https://www.endlessos.org/post/launching-endless-os-foundation" rel="nofollow noopener">for-profit status and becomes a not-for-profit</a>.</li>
<li>November 2020 Hack and friends <a href="https://www.hack-computer.com/post/update-hack-is-now-fully-open-source" rel="nofollow noopener">go fully open source</a>!</li>
<li>June 2021 <a href="https://www.endlessos.org/endless-laptop" rel="nofollow noopener">The Endless Laptop</a>.</li>
<li>January 2023 <a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os/release-notes/5" rel="nofollow noopener">5.0 Released</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os/release-notes/4-0-14" rel="nofollow noopener">4.0.14</a> delivers the ability to upgrade to 5.0 which was previously not possible.</li>
<li>March 7, 2023 <a href="https://discourse.flathub.org/t/flathub-in-2023/3808" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless announces backing for Flathub</a></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Huge thanks to Cassidy James Blaede for taking the time to join us! Cassidy's web page is <a href="https://cassidyjames.com" rel="nofollow noopener">here</a></strong></p>

<h3>Endless OS links</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://endlessos.com/home/" rel="nofollow noopener">Main web site</a></li>
<li><a href="https://community.endlessos.com/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Forum</a></li>
<li><a href="https://support.endlessos.org/en/endless-os" rel="nofollow noopener">The Wiki</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.endlessos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener">Endless OS Foundation</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1381437927/endless-computers/description" rel="nofollow noopener">The Early History</a></li>
<li><a href="https://community.endlessos.com/t/what-about-a-release-history/5277/3" rel="nofollow noopener">The Release History</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170223110116/https://endlessos.com/our-computers/" rel="nofollow noopener">The Early PC's</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201117023525/https://github.com/endlessm/eos-desktop/tags?after=Release_2.0.1-rc1_debian" rel="nofollow noopener">All Old Github Tagged versions ~2.0.0</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow noopener">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow noopener">subreddit</a></li>
<li>⌨️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow noopener">Discord Server</a></li>
<li>📲 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow noopener">Telegram</a></li>
<li>✉️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow noopener">Matrix</a></li>
<li>📽️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitch</a></li>
<li>🐘 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener">Mastodon</a></li>
<li>📜 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow noopener">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>We will discuss a couple of topics and some feedback. Our next distro is <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/" rel="nofollow noopener">Raspberry Pi OS</a></strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>Bjørnar</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Paul</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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