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Episodes drop every other Monday.
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  <title>Episode 4:06: Anything But Common</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>The history of Linux distros and apps. Maybe some current events, if you're lucky. In this episode we banter about our Lemmy instance, a bug that is old enough to drink and how to get Firefox installed. We also cover the history of the Common Desktop Environment (CDE).</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Coming up in this episode&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;We do a little upgrade&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Firefox fixes a tooltip&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The History of W, V, X and CDE&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How it went&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And a new old desktop to explore&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;0:00 Cold Open&lt;br&gt;
1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded!&lt;br&gt;
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug&lt;br&gt;
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly&lt;br&gt;
22:22 CDE History: Intro&lt;br&gt;
24:04 CDE History: X&lt;br&gt;
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK&lt;br&gt;
29:25 CDE History: COSE&lt;br&gt;
31:28 CDE History: CDE &amp;amp; Others&lt;br&gt;
34:24 CDE History: The Opening&lt;br&gt;
36:14 CDE History: The Releases&lt;br&gt;
43:02 How'd CDE Go?&lt;br&gt;
1:16:00 Next Time&lt;br&gt;
1:21:29 Stinger&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Watch the video!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Banter&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;LUS Lemmy instance&lt;/a&gt; got an &lt;a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;update&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be &lt;a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;prepared for&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;One of the issues Dan had is likely &lt;a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;fixed now.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Bug&lt;/a&gt; that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dan &lt;a href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;installed Firefox&lt;/a&gt; from the &lt;code&gt;.tar.gz&lt;/code&gt; download.

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the &lt;code&gt;/opt&lt;/code&gt; directory.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;This program was made possible by:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The letters W, V, X, C, D and E&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️&lt;a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️&lt;a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILvids&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And by contributions to your L-U-S station by &lt;a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Patrons&lt;/a&gt; like you 😍&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;The History of The &lt;a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Common Desktop Environment (CDE)&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Andrew Project&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;W was a windowing system that was originally &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/%7Eteo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;written for the V operating system&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;In 1984, Robert Scheifler &lt;a href="https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;X is our “reaction” to W &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ultrix Window Manager&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;code&gt;uwm&lt;/code&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;code&gt;twm&lt;/code&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Open Look Specification&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The OSF &lt;a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=open%20look&amp;amp;f=false" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;narrows the search for a User Interface&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HP&lt;/a&gt; and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Sun went on to build &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;OpenWindows&lt;/a&gt;, which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;SunView&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;COSE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, &lt;a href="https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;merged&lt;/a&gt;, and in 96, &lt;a href="https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;merged again&lt;/a&gt; with X/Open into The Open Group.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Motif and CDE &lt;a href="https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;became one&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;KDE enters the scene&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;May of 2000 when Motif &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;was released&lt;/a&gt; as OpenMotif.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LessTif, because Less is Mo, &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;published an initial statement&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;August 6th, 2012, CDE was &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/%7Ekpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;relicensed&lt;/a&gt; under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on &lt;a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;March 1st, 2014&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The final release, at least as of this recording, &lt;a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;2.5.1&lt;/a&gt;, dropped in October of 2022.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;More Announcements&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, &lt;a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;contact@linuxuserspace.show&lt;/a&gt; OR jump on over to the &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;open forum on Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Housekeeping&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🗞️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Lemmy&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📰 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;subreddit&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;⌨️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Discord Server&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📲 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Telegram&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;✉️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Matrix&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📽️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitch&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;🐘 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mastodon&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📜 Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;📺️ Linux User Space &lt;a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;TILVids&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Next Time&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the &lt;a href="https://xfce.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Xfce Desktop Environment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;hr&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Producer&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruno&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Dave&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;John&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Johnny&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Co-Producer&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tim&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Super User&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A.J.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Advait&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CubicleNate&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Eduardo S.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hausken&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Jill and Steve&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Larry&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;LiNuXsys666&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Livet&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Musical Coder&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nicholas&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nick&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;sleepyeyesvince&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Saigoneer&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tobias &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>We do a little upgrade</li>
<li>Firefox fixes a tooltip</li>
<li>The History of W, V, X and CDE</li>
<li>How it went</li>
<li>And a new old desktop to explore</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:42 Lemmy&#39;s Upgraded!<br>
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug<br>
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly<br>
22:22 CDE History: Intro<br>
24:04 CDE History: X<br>
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK<br>
29:25 CDE History: COSE<br>
31:28 CDE History: CDE &amp; Others<br>
34:24 CDE History: The Opening<br>
36:14 CDE History: The Releases<br>
43:02 How&#39;d CDE Go?<br>
1:16:00 Next Time<br>
1:21:29 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q" rel="nofollow"><strong>Watch the video!</strong></a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li>The <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow">LUS Lemmy instance</a> got an <a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0" rel="nofollow">update</a>.

<ul>
<li>The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be <a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading" rel="nofollow">prepared for</a>.</li>
<li>One of the issues Dan had is likely <a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059" rel="nofollow">fixed now.</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/" rel="nofollow">The Bug</a> that&#39;s old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!</li>
<li>Dan <a href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds" rel="nofollow">installed Firefox</a> from the <code>.tar.gz</code> download.

<ul>
<li>Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the <code>/opt</code> directory.</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>The letters W, V, X, C, D and E</li>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow">Patrons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>The History of The <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/" rel="nofollow">Common Desktop Environment (CDE)</a></h2>

<ul>
<li>The <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml" rel="nofollow">Andrew Project</a></li>
<li>W was a windowing system that was originally <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/%7Eteo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf" rel="nofollow">written for the V operating system</a>.</li>
<li>In 1984, Robert Scheifler <a href="https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml" rel="nofollow">wrote</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053" rel="nofollow">X is our “reaction” to W </a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager" rel="nofollow">Ultrix Window Manager</a>, or <code>uwm</code></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm" rel="nofollow">Tom&#39;s Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager</a>, or <code>twm</code></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm" rel="nofollow">Open Look Specification</a></li>
<li>The OSF <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=open%20look&f=false" rel="nofollow">narrows the search for a User Interface</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf" rel="nofollow">HP</a> and Microsoft&#39;s CXI and DEC&#39;s XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.</li>
<li>Sun went on to build <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows" rel="nofollow">OpenWindows</a>, which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView" rel="nofollow">SunView</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment" rel="nofollow">COSE</a></li>
<li>In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J" rel="nofollow">merged</a>, and in 96, <a href="https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html" rel="nofollow">merged again</a> with X/Open into The Open Group.</li>
<li>Motif and CDE <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ" rel="nofollow">became one</a></li>
<li><a href="https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ" rel="nofollow">KDE enters the scene</a>.</li>
<li>May of 2000 when Motif <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ" rel="nofollow">was released</a> as OpenMotif.</li>
<li>LessTif, because Less is Mo, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html" rel="nofollow">published an initial statement</a></li>
<li>August 6th, 2012, CDE was <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/%7Ekpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293" rel="nofollow">relicensed</a> under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today.</li>
<li>After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on <a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/" rel="nofollow">March 1st, 2014</a>.</li>
<li>The final release, at least as of this recording, <a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/" rel="nofollow">2.5.1</a>, dropped in October of 2022.</li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a> OR jump on over to the <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow">open forum on Lemmy</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

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</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

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<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

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<li>John</li>
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</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

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<li>A.J.</li>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
<li>The Saigoneer</li>
<li>Tobias</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong>Coming up in this episode</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>We do a little upgrade</li>
<li>Firefox fixes a tooltip</li>
<li>The History of W, V, X and CDE</li>
<li>How it went</li>
<li>And a new old desktop to explore</li>
</ul>

<p>0:00 Cold Open<br>
1:42 Lemmy&#39;s Upgraded!<br>
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug<br>
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly<br>
22:22 CDE History: Intro<br>
24:04 CDE History: X<br>
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK<br>
29:25 CDE History: COSE<br>
31:28 CDE History: CDE &amp; Others<br>
34:24 CDE History: The Opening<br>
36:14 CDE History: The Releases<br>
43:02 How&#39;d CDE Go?<br>
1:16:00 Next Time<br>
1:21:29 Stinger</p>

<p><a href="https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q" rel="nofollow"><strong>Watch the video!</strong></a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q</a></p>

<h2>Banter</h2>

<ul>
<li>The <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow">LUS Lemmy instance</a> got an <a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0" rel="nofollow">update</a>.

<ul>
<li>The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be <a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading" rel="nofollow">prepared for</a>.</li>
<li>One of the issues Dan had is likely <a href="https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059" rel="nofollow">fixed now.</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/" rel="nofollow">The Bug</a> that&#39;s old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!</li>
<li>Dan <a href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds" rel="nofollow">installed Firefox</a> from the <code>.tar.gz</code> download.

<ul>
<li>Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the <code>/opt</code> directory.</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements</h2>

<p><em>This program was made possible by:</em></p>

<ul>
<li>The letters W, V, X, C, D and E</li>
<li>📺️<a href="https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow">Youtube</a></li>
<li>📽️<a href="https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow">TILvids</a></li>
<li>And by contributions to your L-U-S station by <a href="https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace" rel="nofollow">Patrons</a> like you 😍</li>
</ul>

<h2>The History of The <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/" rel="nofollow">Common Desktop Environment (CDE)</a></h2>

<ul>
<li>The <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml" rel="nofollow">Andrew Project</a></li>
<li>W was a windowing system that was originally <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/%7Eteo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf" rel="nofollow">written for the V operating system</a>.</li>
<li>In 1984, Robert Scheifler <a href="https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml" rel="nofollow">wrote</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053" rel="nofollow">X is our “reaction” to W </a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager" rel="nofollow">Ultrix Window Manager</a>, or <code>uwm</code></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm" rel="nofollow">Tom&#39;s Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager</a>, or <code>twm</code></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm" rel="nofollow">Open Look Specification</a></li>
<li>The OSF <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=open%20look&f=false" rel="nofollow">narrows the search for a User Interface</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf" rel="nofollow">HP</a> and Microsoft&#39;s CXI and DEC&#39;s XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.</li>
<li>Sun went on to build <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows" rel="nofollow">OpenWindows</a>, which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView" rel="nofollow">SunView</a>.</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment" rel="nofollow">COSE</a></li>
<li>In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J" rel="nofollow">merged</a>, and in 96, <a href="https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html" rel="nofollow">merged again</a> with X/Open into The Open Group.</li>
<li>Motif and CDE <a href="https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ" rel="nofollow">became one</a></li>
<li><a href="https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ" rel="nofollow">KDE enters the scene</a>.</li>
<li>May of 2000 when Motif <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ" rel="nofollow">was released</a> as OpenMotif.</li>
<li>LessTif, because Less is Mo, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html" rel="nofollow">published an initial statement</a></li>
<li>August 6th, 2012, CDE was <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/%7Ekpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293" rel="nofollow">relicensed</a> under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today.</li>
<li>After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on <a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/" rel="nofollow">March 1st, 2014</a>.</li>
<li>The final release, at least as of this recording, <a href="https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/" rel="nofollow">2.5.1</a>, dropped in October of 2022.</li>
</ul>

<h2>More Announcements</h2>

<ul>
<li>Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, <a href="mailto:contact@linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow">contact@linuxuserspace.show</a> OR jump on over to the <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum" rel="nofollow">open forum on Lemmy</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Housekeeping</h2>

<p>Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.</p>

<ul>
<li>🗞️ Linux User Space <a href="https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show" rel="nofollow">Lemmy</a></li>
<li>📰 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit" rel="nofollow">subreddit</a></li>
<li>⌨️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/discord" rel="nofollow">Discord Server</a></li>
<li>📲 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram" rel="nofollow">Telegram</a></li>
<li>✉️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix" rel="nofollow">Matrix</a></li>
<li>📽️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch" rel="nofollow">Twitch</a></li>
<li>🐘 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon" rel="nofollow">Mastodon</a></li>
<li>📜 Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></li>
<li>📺️ Linux User Space <a href="https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids" rel="nofollow">TILVids</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>Next Time</h2>

<p><strong>Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the <a href="https://xfce.org/" rel="nofollow">Xfce Desktop Environment</a></strong></p>

<p><strong>Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space</strong></p>

<p><strong>Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on  Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.</strong></p>

<hr>

<p>We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!</p>

<h2>Producer</h2>

<ul>
<li>Bruno</li>
<li>Dave</li>
<li>John</li>
<li>Johnny</li>
</ul>

<h3>Co-Producer</h3>

<ul>
<li>Tim</li>
</ul>

<h4>Super User</h4>

<ul>
<li>A.J.</li>
<li>Advait</li>
<li>CubicleNate</li>
<li>Eduardo S.</li>
<li>Hausken</li>
<li>Jill and Steve</li>
<li>Larry</li>
<li>LiNuXsys666</li>
<li>Livet</li>
<li>Musical Coder</li>
<li>Nicholas</li>
<li>Nick</li>
<li>sleepyeyesvince</li>
<li>The Saigoneer</li>
<li>Tobias</li>
</ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace">Support Linux User Space</a></p>]]>
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